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Vetta 2.5 - Vetta firmware situation update... 06-11-2008

Line 6 has made a short announcement on the Vetta firmware situation. Here's the actual announcement:

"Hey Line 6’ers, I wanted to give you an update on the Vetta firmware situation. After a painstaking review of the current issues presented in the Vetta II firmware. We (Line 6) have made the difficult decision that we will not be providing any additional updates to the current code. We do not take this decision lightly, and although many Vetta users have not encountered the issues that have been discussed in the Line 6 forum, we are very sorry for those that have been affected. Although this may not be the ideal outcome for some, we do believe there are adequate workarounds for these issues and hope that the many benefits of the Vetta II platform can continue to inspire your music for years to come."

Feel free to visit the Line 6 forums and see the announcement

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

Updated MIDI Charts... 26-11-2007

As anounced earlier ION forum member Sliding Billy has contributed a new - updated MIDI CC chart for Vetta 2.5 you can download it at the link (nr.1) beneath. Thanks go out to him.

There's also a new and updated MIDI CC chart made available by Line 6 for all Line 6 Amps. From POD to Vetta. To set-up your gear this is a handy chart to get your system set-up the way you want it. The chart has been updated on the 20th of April 2006. Click the appropriate link (nr.2) beneath to get it.

This means three different version to choose from, depending on what you prefer or what your OS in Vetta is. First link is the Vetta 2.5 MIDI CC chart, Second link is Line 6's MIDI CC Chart, Third link is from before the V2.5 upgrade.

• 1. Click here to download the Vetta 2.5 MIDI CC Chart
• 2. Click here to download the new Line 6 MIDI CC Chart
• 3. Click here to download the Vetta MIDI CC Chart from before the V2.5 Upgrade

Source: Sliding Billy / vettaville.nl

Vetta MIDI Controller... 10-03-2007

GM arts, a Institute of Noise Forum Member shared this info with Vettaville.nl. GM arts made a personal MIDI footcontroller for Vetta (and can be designed to be used for other gear aswell). He's sharing the info so you can build your own.

"For Line 6 Vetta users like me who need a volume pedal and wah available on every patch, there's no capability for any other type of expression pedal.   So what to do?  Build your own, of course.

This is a flexible and generic MIDI foot controller that you can customise to do nearly anything you want.   You can have any combination of patch changes, custom controllers (for effects off/on, including some not even on the longboard), and system exclusive messages to change Vetta parameters. These can be controlled by any combination of foot switches and pedals you wish."  

Please note this info is not from Line 6, but a felllow Vetta owner sharing his info and knowledge. Thanks go out to GM arts.

• GM Arts website info on the Vetta MIDI footcontroller

Source: GM Atyvettaville.nl

Vetta MIDI Controller... 10-03-2007

GM arts, a Institute of Noise Forum Member shared this info with Vettaville.nl. GM arts made a personal MIDI footcontroller for Vetta (and can be designed to be used for other gear aswell). He's sharing the info so you can build your own.

"For Line 6 Vetta users like me who need a volume pedal and wah available on every patch, there's no capability for any other type of expression pedal.   So what to do?  Build your own, of course.

This is a flexible and generic MIDI foot controller that you can customise to do nearly anything you want.   You can have any combination of patch changes, custom controllers (for effects off/on, including some not even on the longboard), and system exclusive messages to change Vetta parameters. These can be controlled by any combination of foot switches and pedals you wish."  

Please note this info is not from Line 6, but a felllow Vetta owner sharing his info and knowledge. Thanks go out to GM arts.

• GM Arts website info on the Vetta MIDI footcontroller

Source: GM Arts / vettaville.nl

Variax Wireless and Vetta - A guide to Wireless Communication... 01-11-2006

In the latest Vetta II update, Version 2.5, a new unplublicized feature was added at request of some high profile artists. This feature allows a Vetta II ampliflier to cummunicate with a Variax guitar wirelessly with some special cables, an off the shelff MIDI wireless system and an audio wireless system.

If this is what you would like to experiment with please read on.

Wireless communication between a Vetta and a Variax falls into the category of an "unsupported, use at your own risk" feature. (it's a category of one!)

Note: There is no intension on Line 6's part to offer a commercial solution for wireless communication between Vetta II and Variax guitar, however in the spirit of supporting the needs of our community Line 6 decided to share this bit of information with you.

While a VDI cable provides bi-directional communication between a Vetta and a Variax, the wireless link described on these pages and document provides one-way communication from Vetta to the Variax. This solution simply transmits Guitar Model patch change data, as well as tone pot data to the Variax, as they were programmed into the Vetta's patches, which must be done with a Variax connected to a Vetta with a VDI cable.

How / Why it works:

When the Variax is physically connected to the Vetta via the VDI cable, the Vetta reconfigures to accept digital audio and digital audio sync from the VDI interface. Vetta also recieved patch, patch name and tone pot information from the guitar whenever somthing is changed, that way it can store and recall the appropriate Variax information within it's own patch structure. Variax W/L (wireless) mode allows the Vetta to operate, (internal sync, analog input) without the Variax connected to the VDI connector, howver it still send the Variax patch information out via the VDI connector whenever a Vetta patch is recalled.

Programming patches for use in the Variax W/L mode:

1. You must build your Vetta / Variax presets with the Variax W/L mode off, and with a VDI cable connecting the two products.
2. Once you presets are built, you can disconnect the Variax, connect up your wireless rig, and enable the Variax W/L mode.

How to set up your Vetta II and a Variax Guitar to operate wirelessly.

First you're going to need some things to get this all together. Here's a shopping list:

1. Vetta II with V 2.5 frmware and a Variax.
2. A Wireless MIDI solution, Line 6 tested the system with the MIDIJet wireless transciever from Organworks. They also have a pro version with a longer range. Also CME recently announced the WIDI-X8.
3. Two special cables to adapt the MIDI cables to the VDI connectors on the Vetta and the Variax (schematics provided). You may want to ask your techie friend to help you out with this one. Basically, start with a Ethernet cable, a MIDI cable, a few simple electronic components ( 1x 1N5231 5.1V Zener Diode, 2x 220 Ohm 1% resistors) and a soldering iron...
4. An audio wireless to get audio signal from the Variax 1/4" output to the Vetta Input.
5. Loads of batteries for your Variax, the audio wireless pack, and the MIDI wireless transciever.

Tech instructions:

Build the cables, mark the Vetta side cable with the extra electronic components: Vetta, mark the Variax Cable as well. The cables are not revirsible, so please mark them to avoid confusion at critical moments in your performing career.

Diagram 1		Diagram 2

Click on the pictures to enlarge

Putting it all together:

1. Connect the Vetta VDI to the MIDI wireless Transmitter with the VDI to MIDI adapter cable.
2. Connect the MIDI wireless reciever to the Variax with the MIDI To Variax VDI cable that you build.
3. Connect the wireless audio transmitter to the 1/4 connector on your Variax, and the audio wireless tramsmitter reciever to the 1/4 input on the Vetta.
4. Power it all up.
5. Set the Vetta's Variax W/L parameter to On, and you're all set.

So there you have it, everything you'll need to get your Vetta / Variax rig up and running wireless at a gig.

Note: This is an "unsupported" feature in Vetta, and yet it is something Line 6 wanted to share with the Vetta community.

A great source for advanced Vetta capabillities is the Vetta community that largely resides on the Line 6 forums, Institute of Noise and Vettaville.com and Vettaville.nl sites. Thanks go out to Line 6 for going the extra mile on this one.

Oh, and you want a .pdf to make your personal wireless system, no worries, just click here to download

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

More Wah-Wah Wackyness... 08-08-2006

So the there are several new Wah Wah's in the V2,5 Vetta software. Just to get you a glimpse of which once they are here's a summary and then a complete despribtion of what you can do with them.

1. Vetta Wah (okay that was in already
2. Fassel - Based on Cry Baby Super by Jen Electronics
3. Weeper - Based on Arbiter Cry Baby
4. Chrome - Based on Vox V847 (V846 re-issue Clyde McCoy)
5. Chrome Custom - Vox V847
6. Throaty - Based on the RMC Real McCoy 1
7. Conductor - Based on the Maestro Boomerang
8. Coloursound - Based on Colorsound Wah-Fuzz
9. Custom - Based on Geoffrey Teese - Real McCoy RMC3 and you can customize it.

Everyone plays different, everybody hears different, every uses his gear different. There are plenty of options on wah's if you go to your local music store. And all pedals have something unique to them. So what do you need? Different wah's to play with. Well behold, there are 9 options to choose from. Grab your pick, select and play!

Vetta Wah
Original Vetta Wah Model - for those who like what they had. We weren’t going to take it away from you.

Fassel
Based on a Cry Baby Super made by Jen Electronics. Jen Electronics in Italy manufactured wah pedals for many companies, including Vox, Thomas Organ, Arbiter, and others. This particular pedal has the highly desireable mojo of the Fasel (an Italian manufacturer of electronic components) inductor. Some have credited the unique saturation characteristics of the Fasel inductor to the fact that it was a really cheaply made component. Go figure.

Weeper
Modeled after an Arbiter Cry Baby, this is yet another variation on the original Vox wah design. The biggest variation between many of these wah pedals is the inductor and the tolerances of the capacitors and resistors that make up the filter circuit. As with vintage guitar amps, two of them made on the same day, by the same person, from the same parts bin might sound totally different. We went for the best examples we could find.

Chrome
Based on a Vox V847. This pedal was a reissue of the original 1967 Vox V846 wah pedal, which was the successor to the original Clyde McCoy wah (Clyde McCoy was a trumpet player who had asked Vox to make an effect that would make a keyboard sound like you were using a plunger mute on it. Guitar players everywhere thank him).

Chrome Custom
Custom Vox V847

Throaty
Based on the RMC Real McCoy 1. For many guitarists, the original Vox Clyde McCoy signature (or even rarer, picture) pedal is the ‘holy grail’ of wahs. Geoffrey Teese of RMC did a lot of research, even tracking down a supply of the original ‘stack of dimes’ inductors and having pots that duplicate the taper characteristics of the original ICAR parts to produce a clone of these highly sought-after wahs.

Conductor
Maestro Boomerang - According to the original Maestro advertising material , this was not a ‘wah-wah’ pedal, but a ‘wow-wow’ pedal. Po-tay-to - Po-tah-to. In 1968 or so, Maestro went to Richard Mintz of All Test Devices, who had first become known for his design of a sustainer for Leslie West, and hired him to redesign most of their effects units. This pedal was Curtis Mayfield’s choice for wah, so it’s perfect for R’n’B ‘wacka-wacka’ retro madness.

Colorful
This model is based on the wah part of a vintage Colorsound Wah-Fuzz. The Colorsound is different from the other wah pedals here in that it was an inductor-less design. For you non-electronics minded folks, this basically means that it used a different type of circuit to get its frequency resonance and would saturate (distort) in a different manner than the inductor-based designs. (twin-T design?)

Custom
This is Wah model is adjustable by it's user, you can set Top, Bot and Q to different levels so you can assign or make your own custom wah. Its modeled after the Geoffrey Teese - Real McCoy RMC3. The Frequency range is customisable with Q (resonance) of the filter.

• Top sets frequency of the wah when the footcontroller is down
• Bot sets frequency of the wah when the footcontroller is up
• Q sets the peaking filter's sharpness and intensity, from Mellow (0) o Peaky (127)

One thing to remember that the wah's are already been level adjusted, meaning that they won't 'suck' some signal level out when engaged like the authentic wah's would. So no worries there, that's the nice thing about digital modeling, you can have everything as convinient as you want it. Thanks Line 6.

So that's a lot of Wahwah Wackyness ain't it.

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

How to "Handle" your Vetta... 22-05-2006

Of course you all know how to handle your Vetta, how to make the right sounds etc. You know how to lug it around with the handle on the top of your amp. Henk Jan Oudelaar made a new document how to create handles on each the side of the amp. It's a detailed document that you could use if you're planning to modify your amp. When finished you have a new way to handle your Vetta..

Thanks go out to Henk Jan for creating and sharing the .pdf document, it'll be added to the downloadsection shortly

• Vetta carry modifications document (1.3 MB .pdf)
• other documents

Source: Henk Jan Oudelaar / vettaville.nl

Darrel Smith on the Vetta 2.5 upgrade (video)... 05-05-2006

A small film with Darrell Smith - Line 6's Amp Line manager. Darrell is talking about the new Vetta 2.5 update. He talks about how to decompile the wishlist and Vetta's architecture, what they could pull off.

Thanks go out to Darrell Smith and Line 6 for making it possible.

• the Darrell Smith Vetta 2.5 video (right click and save, shockwave player needed)

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

Armin's Vetta Toolkit Freeze... 24-04-2006

Line 6 Edit 3.0 is out since a couple of days and it when using it with Vetta V3.0 loaded with Third Party "Armin Toolkit" software, it freezes your Vetta.

Armin stated that he isn't able to change the situation since it would be interfering with Line 6 code. If you use his software and your Vetta should freeze as a result Line 6 isn't obligated to help you if problems occur due to third party software modifications.

Feel free to use whatever software you seem fit; Modified or non-modified just take notice of the above.

Source: vettaville.nl

The Boost - Step by Step Guide... 11-04-2006

Solo Boost - The Vetta community has developed all sorts of expertise around kludging volume boost functionality out the effects loops and such.  We’ve heard you plea.  So here’s a post FX loop variable Boost, (up to +24 dB) that you can assign to a handful of footswitches.  It’s tucked away on Foot Control Page 1. The Boost amount, and the pedal assignment are save-able with each patch.

Here's a step by step guide to activate the Solo Boost -

1. Press the Footcontrol button on your Vetta
2. Turn the page knob next to the LCD display to page 1/8 called pedal set up.
3. Adjust boost level by turning the 4th knob under the LCD display. (adjustable up to +24 dB). The boost amount is save-able with each patch
4. Turn the page knob 'till page 6/8 called switch assign
5. Assign the boost to a pedalbutton:
   - FX Loop or
   - Tremelo or
   - Favorite (this is a global assignment, meaning for every patch)
6. Save the patch

New Footswitch Assignments
The Final Foot Control page offers four new pedal assignment possibilities:  The FX LOOP, TREMOLO and MOD can all be assigned unique functions from a short list and stored with each patch. 

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Vetta 2.5 Upgrade Notice... 10-04-2006

As an extended service we want to recommend that if you're going to upgrade that you do this with the help of the Monkey. Do it as a complete install so including the model defaults and factory presets. Afterwards you can reload your own patches using a sysex program like MIDI-OX.

There have been reports on different forums that related to a switching delay after the upgrade. This ONLY occurs if you DON'T do the complete upgrade as referred to in the paragraph above here. All reports of the switching delay have been gone after the three steps have been fully implemented.

Follow the three step guide beneath this post and scroll down, then you'll be fine without having to go through the whole process again. Please do not use any Line 6 Edit version after you did the upgrade to V2.5, it could get you into trouble. Allthough some people refer to it as 'save' this isn't the case. Line 6 is working on Line 6 Edit 3.0.

So First things First...

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More Detalis... 08-04-2006

A.I.R. II Direct Outs
All the direct out models on the Vetta 2.5 release have been improved. We re-shot our convolutions here at the studio with some Neve 1073's, 33609's and an Apogee®PSX100.  The added authenticity, clarity and tone that this world-class front end provides is simply incredible.

Output Setup Page 4
Wide Mode with Digital Dry - For all your semi-crazed wide mode gurus we’ve added a Digital output mode that will present the Wide Outs on the Direct Out, and the Dry signal on the Digital out.  With wide mode engaged, go the Output Setup Page 4 and select “Dry” from the Source Parameter.

Output Setup Page 3
You’ll notice a handful of changes to the Output Setups.  The 2X12 & 4X12 configurations remain, as does Speakers On/Off.  Added are Loudness and Presence Boost. 

Loudness Compensation - Here’s a neat feature that came from the Vettaville boards. Turning on “Loudness” on Output Page 2, ties a Fletcher Munson loudness curve to the Master Volume control so you can dial in your patches at any volume and have them sound pretty much the same at a variety of master volumes.

Presence Boost - During the development of Vetta II we crafted a presence boost circuit for the HD147® that inspired a lot of people around the office.  That boost character was modeled and added to the Vetta II.  It was, and is defeat-able by dialing your master High EQ back to about 10:00.  We’ve added a parameter so that you can bring the Presence Boost in or out as per your personal preference. 

Foot Control Pages
Whammy has been added to the lists for assignment to Pedal 1.

Solo Boost - The Vetta community has developed all sorts of expertise around kludging volume boost functionality out the effects loops and such.  We’ve heard you plea.  So here’s a post FX loop variable Boost, (up to + 24 dB) that you can assign to a handful of footswitches.  It’s tucked away on Foot Control Page 1.  The Boost amount, and the pedal assignment are save-able with each patch.

New Footswitch Assignments
The Final Foot Control page offers four new pedal assignment possibilities:  The FX LOOP, TREMOLO and MOD can all be assigned unique functions from a short list and stored with each patch. 

Stay tuned for more...

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

Some MP3 examples... 08-04-2006

With Vetta 2.5 available and the demand for more info...here's some links to new mp3 examples of the Bender, Boutique #1 and Colorful wah.

• Bender example Effect model based on* Digitech Whammy Pedal
  Note: Scratch intro and Lead guitars were done on a guitar without a tremolo arm. All effects were done using the Bender model along with a Ducking Delay.
• Boutique #1 example Main guitar track has Colorful wah model based on* Colorsound® Wah-Fuzz.
• Colourful Wah example Amp model based on* Dumble® Overdrive Special

Stay tuned for more...

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First things First... 07-04-2006

Okay, okay, of course you want to get the new software in a.s.a.p.! We Know. But first back up your patches! Just in case you're getting into trouble you can always get back to them once things have cleared up.

So first things first, Back up your patches using Line 6 Edit 2.03 / 2.05. Make also sure you've got another program MIDI program installed like MIDI OX. Why?

Because the new Vetta V2.5 isn't supported by Line 6 Edit 2.03 / 2.05. So you need a different program to back up your patches. If you haven't got the free program get it at the link. As you know work on Line 6 Edit 3.0 is underway. This version will replace all previous versions of Line 6 Edit, combining support for all products, including the integrated browser for online tone library access from within Line 6 Edit. We expect to have this new version of Line 6 Edit available for free online download.

One other thing, in the past people using a HUB during the upgrade got into trouble, so if you can avoid it...

• Click here to get MIDI-OX

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Secondly Install the new Software... 07-04-2006

Okay, okay, of course you want to get the new software in a.s.a.p.! We Know. So after you've back-up your patches. Get ready to download. Use the monkey, it'll completly fill you in on what to and when. The complete installation process will take about 20 minutes to complete.

If you want to resinstall your own patches next it'll take another few minutes. But first back up your patches! Just in case you're getting into trouble you can always get back to them once things have cleared up. If you went through these steps there's just one more thing to do before you can enjoy your equipment to the fullest. So read on...

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Thirdly - Recalibrate and Dance Away... 07-04-2006

Now that you've done the steps 1 and 2 it's always good to recallibrate your floorboard after a new upgrade. As always you can find here at Vettaville the right steps to do this and maybe you know them by heart. If you don't, no problemo otherwise just click the link, recalibrate and dance away!

• Click here to get instructions on how to recalibrate your floorboard

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

The New Amp Models... 07-04-2006

Six new additions to the already 74 ampmodels in the 'old' Vetta. Making it a total of 80 Amps. Not only that you can blend ot layer them so your scope of sounds is the widest of them all. To get back on track here. Six new additions, let's get aquinted:

1. Line 6 Boutique #1 - From POD 2.0 - Clean Channel from the Dumble Overdrive Special
2. Line 6 Modern Hi Gain #1 - From POD 2.0 - Modeled after Soldano X88R
3. '05 Brit Gain Eighteen - Based on the Marshall 1974X 'authentic re-issue' 18 Watt combo
4. '63 Class A C-30 Fawn - Based on the Fawn AC 30 pre-top boost AC30
5. '05 Citrus D-30 - Based on the Orange AD30TC Channel 1
6. '01 J-2000 #2 - Based on a Marshall JCM2000DSL...

Source: vettaville.nl

The New Wah Models... 07-04-2006

So the there are several new Wah Wah's in the V2.5 Vetta software. Just to get you a glimpse of which once they are here's a summary and then a complete despribtion of what you can do with them.

1. Vetta Wah (okay that was in already
2. Fassel - Based on Cry Baby Super by Jen Electronics
3. Weeper - Based on Arbiter Cry Baby
4. Chrome - Based on Vox V847 (V846 re-issue Clyde McCoy)
5. Chrome Custom - Vox V847
6. Throaty - Based on the RMC Real McCoy 1
7. Conductor - Based on the Maestro Boomerang
8. Coloursound - Based on Colorsound Wah-Fuzz
9. Custom - Based on Geoffrey Teese - Real McCoy RMC3 and you can customize it.

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

The Bender - Bend it and Blend it... 07-04-2006

Wham Bham thank you mam. Whell mam ain't the one to thank now is she? Nonetheless it's in. You can find it in the stomp category under the Synth/Filter section. On the last page it says Bender. Line 6's take on the classic Wahm Bham pitch shifting effect, this baby's called the Bender.

There are three parameters to give you full control:

• Heel pitch - from -24 to + 24 in 1 semitone increments also known as Heel down pitch shift
• Toe pitch - from -24 to + 24 in 1 semitone increments also known as Toe down pitch shift
• Mix - from 0 to 127 also known as Wet/Dry mix

To activate the pedal go to the footcontrol knob on your vetta, press it and select Bender for pedal 1. Then activate the right stompbox (1,2 or 3) where you've assigned it to. Now you're ready to dive deep down into this new addition and Squeel Baby!

If you wanna activate the Bender in a patch simply press the assigned stompbox on/off.

TIP: Be sure to have your assigned pedal in a Toe or Heel position before you engage the stompbox that's been assigned. This avoids some 'out of tune' sounds during your performance.

P.S. : In theory it's possible to assign three Benders to one pedal, so blend the Benders.

Source: vettaville.nl

Line 6 Edit and MIDI Issues... 07-04-2006

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Line 6 Edit and MIDI Issues... 07-04-2006

Vetta 2.5 is not compatible with the current version of Line 6 Edit. In a few weeks a new, compatible version of Line 6 Edit will be available. If you attempt to use it now, you will encounter problems.

MIDI Freaks, Caution: The new user selectable footswitch assignments are known to cause minor issues with their associated MIDI CC parameters. If you re-map footswitches you may not be able to engage the mapped effects via MIDI CC's. A resolution is in development.

Stay tuned for more...

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

Manual Addendum Online... 07-04-2006

Vetta II 2.5 is a free update for all Vetta I and Vetta II Customers. Please see the Manual Addendum available here: http://line6.com/support/manuals/ (select Vetta II from the list) for more information.

Stay tuned for more...

Source: vettaville.nl

Variax Wireless... 07-04-2006

In the Vetta 2.5 upgrade there's a new feature added for all industrious Vetta / Variax users. There'a special mode for interfacing the variax to the Vetta wirelessly. You'll need three things to make this work:

1. Audio wireless to get Audio out of the Variax and into the analog input of the Vetta
2. A MIDI wireless to get MIDI data from Vetta to the Variax
3. Instructions / schematics are available at the Line 6 Vetta Update FAW for building the special cables required to interface this special Vetta - MIDI - Variax connection

Read more here ...

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

Special Vetta Meeting - Part 7... 12-04-2005

Tuesday-evening April 12th

Special Line 6 User Group Meeting; Vetta

Not only technique, ears aswell..

Steve: There was a question about when it all comes together, is it basically right?
Then you come to that place where you’re maybe 80% there, where everybody says yes we’re on the right track and then it’s just (Steve putting his hands to his ears) ears, it’s people with ears and just reinforcing what you said earlier Darrell. It not just sound designers, it engineers too, they all have guitars in their offices and many of them are really good players and they’ve been around for a long time.

Everything we know on paper, everything we know technically, everything we were able to measure, draw or capture is were we want it to be but it’s not quite right. Then you come to a point where it is impossible to describe the interactive process to get it to the place where it is doing those right things, or as Darrell said in some cases the ‘broken’ things.

Leakage..

Steve:The obvious one, the AC leakage on the AC30 where and when we realize that what we hear is a kind off grind in the amp. The 60 Herz mains heterodyning against the audio signals of what you are playing and when we kinda realized that it was gone, we talked to the engineers and talked about putting it back in. The senior engineer in the company well he was like his head exploded!! He was like. NO, WADDAYOUMEAN??? and it was that hard to get that out and now you want that all back in?? (laughter about the way Steve explaining it, using his mimic and voice).

It was kinda interesting to see, not only did they put it back in, but they put it back in to the point where we could say, well that could pass, we could hear the different version and hear the leakage and tell; that one was just a few months old, and that one  many months older.
So we can tweak it and tune it until you get / decide on how much of it is going to be in there.

Finding Harmonics..

Darrell: Parallel on the guitar for instance if you have a guitar with a tailpiece as opposed to a solid bridge. We are able, as we got into it, the strings between the tail piece and the bridge was contributing harmonics and overtones, well that was a big component of a Bigsby or that kind of sound. So we’re able to add those things into a guitar, a really bizarre things that you don’t really necessarily think they are in there.

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Special Vetta Meeting - Part 12... 12-04-2005

Tuesday-evening April 12th

Special Line 6 User Group Meeting; Vetta

Line 6 Amp Workbench perhaps?

Q: Now you have different parts that you put together which brings the mojo back. Also Line 6 is doing Workbench so.. it would be a logical thing to do with something like an Workbench for amps.

Darrell: It would absolutely be logical to do that, unfortunately…
The components interact so much that it’s difficult to discretely chop them up. So the Tone control interacts with the drive and we have to create all these crazy modulation paths and tables. So yes, theoretically, we could give you an Amp Workbench.

But it would be so complicated to make it all function, as you would aspect, that we refrained from doing it thus far, although as we talk about a next generation product. Again it’s going to be very much in mind. And we are keeping it in mind as we architect it, to be sure that we can do it. Workbench has a kind of a future date…

Steve: To give you an analog example of that. If you were to take the front end from a Fender DeLuxe. And then you want to have that pre-amp with the power amp of the JCM 800. In the analog world well, the impedances and the electronic components aren’t matched. So when you put them together it isn’t going to sound like what you would think it would sound like. Then you would have to things the circuitry to get them to behave. And then you no longer have what you thought you had.

It’s a similar thing in the digital domain too. The front end of our DeLuxe and the back end of out 800 if you put them together, they don’t fit. For the same reasons because it translates pretty well. So that is why a kind off an universal tool, like a Workbench for Amps, is an obvious and desirable thing to imagine. But it’s a difficult thing to execute. This is not because you can’t get them lined up, but when you should do that you no longer have the two things that you started with.

Darrell: Many of our amp models have multiple tubes - In order to make it modular we would need to sound design in a certain way. So right now when we jump in on an amp. We just guerilla, just get the sound right. Just use the tools, sometimes in very broken ways to get there. So we have to be a lot more ‘clean’ about how we approach it. This is why, if this is something really desirable, we would jump in and do that work again. So that it would transfer better.

The modeling proces, piece by piece or block by block

Q: So you probably looked in to Hugher & Kettner’s kitchen, so how do they do that?

Darrell: In general; everyone has their own unique process. Basically. Mmh… Has anyone ever messed around with building distortion pedals? That kind of thing, I mean distortion pedals are pretty simple. But obviously there are 800 varieties of TS9. And everyone is different, right?

The reality is that in a simplistic way, you can do a lot to the tonality of distortion, just by tweaking the pre and post filtering. There are even some applications like amplitude that allow you to have some rough filtering. In a very rough way lets it use you this capability. So many other companies like Amplitude, Hughes & Kettner are doing that in a simplified way. Hughes & Kettner has vintage 30’s in and that makes Hughes & Kettner sound like it does. It’s due to the fact of the really brilliant speakers and the pretty use of their power amp.

Maybe some of you have got a background of having a POD 2.0. with a Mesa Boogie 20/20 power amp into vintage 30’s. Even something simple as that kind of modeling can actually sound pretty decent if the rest of the system is well put together. So a kind of an indirect answer, but it’s all to say that there are different ways to skin the cat.

We choose to really look at it at a block level. Because after experimenting with a bunch of things, and our background with the POD 2.0, we felt that we could get the most character out of everything, the most uniqueness with our current approach.

If you think about it, there are more than 70 amp sounds in the Vetta, and somehow they all sound different. (On a Valvetronix there’s maybe not as much differentiation.) the Valvetronix still a cracking sounding amp. But as you slide between some of the models it’s like a little more subtle actually. You can hear the difference, because some of those guys are using a simpler modeling process, but maybe some other tricks.

The same type of amp, but it sounds different

Q: Could you explain why the Mesa Boogie Mark II amp sounds good on the POD 2.0 and it’s completely different in Vetta?

Darrell: We modeled a different Mark II for Vetta. So the first one was probably really close to the Mark II that you heard.

Q: Are you going to change it?

Darrell: We can’t find the original because it’s gone. Do you want to send us yours? I’ll send it back in a couple of months, I promise. (laughter). I would love to model a different one if there was a better one out there. More recently we taken it to own the amps we model. With some amp models in Vetta we beg, borrowed, stole or manufacturers sent us a model.

Now that we’re sort of gearing up to potentially go back and we look at some of those models we wished we owned them. The Mark II’s that we have now are clearly different from the first one. In our opinion they don’t sound bad, but I respect your opinion as well.

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

New V 2.50 software available... 07-04-2005

Yes, once again Line 6 kept their promise to give us Vettanarians and Vettavillians new software. The number is V2.5 and what an upgrade! Just some highlights before we jump into a more detailed report on what has been altered / improved and added. Just let us say, they listened once again and interacted to give us what we want. So here are the main new features.

• 6 new added models including the Dumble!
• 8 newly added Wah's including one you can customize!
• The Bender - Wham Bham thank you man - Bend it, shake anyway you want it.
• Added a Ducking Delay based on the TC 2290!
• AIR II Direct Outs are all improved (wait 'till you hear them)!
• Added Wide Mode with Digital Dry
• Added Loudness - Fletcher Munson compensation to the master volume
• Added Presence Boost - Like on the HD147
• Added assignable Solo boost to different footswitches
• MIDI clock now responds to MIDI input for setting Tempo
• New Footswitch assignments for FX Loop - Tremelo and Mod
• New Footswitch assignments for Favorite channel - also globally assignable.

So yes they listened and looked through our compiled Vetta Wishlist to give us this new software for free, once again!

Source: Line 6 / vettaville.nl

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